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Your Eminence, venerable and dear in the Lord Vladyko Martin!

First of all, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to you again and again for your fidelity to Orthodoxy, for your deep understanding of the issue of venerating the Name of God! May God grant you to continue to stand firmly in the gospel received by the Church from Christ the Savior and His Apostles!

Everyone knows the words of the Apostle Paul: “But even if we or an angel from heaven began to preach to you not what we preached to you, let it be anathema” (Gal. 1. 8). This terrible apostolic anathema applies to all the distorters of the gospel gospel. And therefore, every stubborn, malicious heretic is separated from God and betrayed into the power of Satan forever, if he does not have time to repent in earthly life. No one - neither the heads of the local Churches, nor the Synods, nor the most representative Councils - has the right to change anything of their own arbitrariness in the dogma and offer any modified versions of it. Such is the axiom of our Orthodox faith.

Its other axiom is that the undeniable and unconditional authority in matters of faith is for us the Holy Scriptures and consensual opinion holy fathers, or the definitions of the Councils generally recognized in the ecumenical Orthodox Church.

Any dispute regarding any issues of spiritual and church life, and especially doctrinal issues, must be resolved by comparing what the disputing parties offer with the indicated divinely inspired sources of doctrine.

I myself was guided by such considerations when I submitted my Critical Analysis of the “Message of the Holy Synod” dated May 18, 1913, to the discussion of the Bishops’ Council of our Church. And I naively hoped that they would speak to me in the language of theological arguments. Unfortunately, such a conversation did not work out.

What Bishop Nikolai of Bryansk replied to me, on behalf of the Council, was a set of arguments and exhortations, more like personal attacks. Theological reasoning was practically non-existent. And those two (!) remarks of Bishop Nicholas, which nevertheless referred to the Gospel and the Council of Constantinople in 1351, clearly did not stand up to criticism, which I set out in detail in my answer to him.

You, of course, know how events developed further. In the lists of the New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia, canonized by the past Council of Bishops, I found the name of Archbishop Nikon (Rozhdestvensky). This was the reason for the beginning of correspondence, which gradually grew from four addresses to eleven.

In the course of a very tough discussion, it turned out that absolutely all the arguments of the supporters of the “Message” of 1913 are speculation based on their own understanding of the truths of the faith or on the same “Message” and similar documents of the highest church authority of the Russian Church and the Patriarchate of Constantinople at the beginning of the 20th century. century.

The obvious weakness of the theological position of our opponents and their repressive enthusiasm provoked a natural reaction from Your Eminence in the form of a publication from the website of the South Russian Diocese, in which you declared your sympathy for imyaslavie and the removal of your signature under the decision to canonize Nikon (Rozhdestvensky). Following this, Metropolitan Filaret issued a sole decree declaring you a heretic on the basis of the aforementioned decrees of the Russian and Greek hierarchies.

In response to your very reasonable and theologically justified objections, Met. Filaret and the hierarchs of like mind with him published their "Joint Statement" dated 11/24/2016 (12/7/2016).

Consider the arguments of this "Joint Statement".

You can start with a quote from the archbishop. Nikon (Rozhdestvensky), made the epigraph of this document: “No matter how convincingly the falsehood of the imetic teaching is proved, the creators of heresy will look at all the evidence only as an unfortunate obstacle to the triumph of their teaching, which must be eliminated at all costs, at least for this had to be used lies, forgery, intrigues, etc.” As further affirmed by the bishops headed by Met. Filaret: “The words of the confessor of God turned out to be prophetic, for the lies and forgery of the name-worshippers manifested themselves even in relation to the very words of the saint. Until now, heretics are trying to prove that St. Nikon called for the elimination of their teaching, using "lies, forgery, intrigues, etc.", although the meaning of the saint's statement immediately becomes clear to an impartial reader. Of all this pretentious tirade, it is only true that Nikon, apparently, really wanted to say about the "evil name-worshippers" who were ready to use "lies, forgery, intrigues, etc." against their opponents, but expressed his thought so clumsily , which gave rise to opponents to accuse himself of being ready to resort to weapons of forgery of lies and intrigues. It is enough to look at the phrase "...an unfortunate obstacle to the triumph of their teaching, which must be eliminated at all costs...". The Russian language must be handled with care. And if the author himself allows stylistic nonsense, one should not be so angry with his readers and even more so accuse them of "lies and forgeries."

The next paragraph develops the accusation of lying: “The lies of the name-worshippers also manifested themselves in relation to the First Hierarch of ROCOR / ORC, Metropolitan Filaret, who, according to their words, allegedly unreasonably accused Vl. Martin (and all others like him) in the heresy of name-worshipping. However, the facts speak for themselves. The supporters of heresy, in their “open letter” dated December 3, 2016, only confirmed the validity of the Decree of the First Hierarch. They contradict themselves in their accusations - on the one hand, they say that “the First Hierarch declares his fellow bishop (Arch. Martin) as a heretic, without bothering to understand the matter,” and on the other hand, the name-worshippers, defending their teaching in the same treatment, further confirm the belonging of vl. Martin and his own to false teaching, which is condemned by the Church. Here is the moment of truth: “The supporters of heresy in their “open letter” dated December 3, 2016 only confirmed the validity of the Decree of the First Hierarch.” That is, "heresy", according to Metr. Philaret and his supporters is the confession of the Name of God contained in our "Open Letter". Recall that it boiled down to three main provisions.

“1) To believe, together with St. Maximus the Confessor, that “... the Name of God the Father, remaining in an essential way, is [His] Only Begotten Son” - Orthodox;

2) to believe, according to Holy Scripture, that the Name of God is the eternal power and glory of God - Orthodoxy;

3) to believe, as the holy fathers and the Orthodox Catechism teach, that God Himself is present in the Name of God pronounced in words and such words are inextricably linked with His sanctifying, healing, saving grace - Orthodox.

Comments here are probably unnecessary. For it is obvious that according to the first point, our accusers declare St. Maximus the Confessor, according to the second point, they call the Holy Bible “name-worshipping”, according to the third - they define the Orthodox Catechism and the teachings of at least our famous Russian saints (Tikhon of Zadonsk, Dimitry of Rostov, Ignatius (Bryanchaninov), John of Kronstadt) as heresy.
Going into details, after that, and saying that His Grace Martin in his first publication, which caused the first hierarchal decree, did not formulate any doctrinal provisions and that, consequently, no one had the right to declare him a heretic before the conciliar consideration of the case, perhaps, also not to what.

Let's move on to the next accusation: “Now we need to figure out what kind of “name fighting party” does the First Hierarch of ROCOR, Metropolitan Filaret, support? It turns out that the “name fighting party”, according to the archbishop. Martin (Lapkovsky), prot. Vyacheslav Lebedev, Alexei Lebedev, Artem Stadnik and others like them - this is nothing less than two Local Orthodox Churches(Russian and Greek). The name-worshippers consider these two Local Churches to be heretical since 1913.” Deception does not paint anyone, especially the spiritual rank. We, the signatories of the Open Letter, did not say a single word or hint, as if we consider the Greek and Russian Churches to be the "name-fighting party"! This is slander. In fact, they meant the name-fighters within ROCOR: Archpriests Valery Rozhnov, Vladimir Tsukanov, with Bishops Nikolai and Eugene who joined them later. Likewise, we have never claimed that we consider the Greek and Russian Local Churches to be heretical since 1913! Here again is slander. In fact, the Church is the entire Orthodox believing people. The episcopate represents ecclesiastical authority, but by no means the fullness of the Church. And very rarely in church history the episcopate departed from Orthodoxy. Until a serious conciliar discussion has taken place on any issue, especially a dogmatic one, until the people as a whole have made up their minds and clearly taken the side of heresy, it is strange to talk about the falling away from Orthodoxy of an entire Local Church. In such cases, a certain process takes place, which, as a rule, takes long time. But that is precisely the state of affairs in currently here in Russia. Probably in Greece too. There was not and is not a single authoritative Local Council that examined the issue of venerating the Name of God. The Council of 1917-18, although it created a special theological commission, since it did not complete its work, did not take any decision. Therefore, the only thing on which all the name-fighting arguments rest are various synodal resolutions, Russian and Greek. We will talk about them further.

In the meantime, let us quote the “Joint Declaration” again: “They also consider ROCOR heretical from the moment of its formation to this day. At the same time, ow. Matrin and others like him call the first ROCOR First Hierarch Metropolitan Anthony (Khrapoviky), who in 1913 headed one of the three theological commissions that defined name-worship as a heresy, the most ardent heretic. So, could the real First Hierarch of ROCOR, Metropolitan Philaret, agree with such an assessment of the heretics and with the proposal of several name-worshippers to revise the definitions of the Russian Church from 1913 to 1918, which condemned heresy? To agree with the heretics is, in essence, to admit that the Orthodox Russian Church no longer exists since 1913. The recognition that the canonical Russian Church no longer exists would mean not only a betrayal of the Church itself, but would also become blasphemy in relation to the holy saints of God, manifested in it. Among those who did not recognize heresy, one can list a host of New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia, as well as many other famous names. For example, St. Philaret (Voznesensky), St. John of Shanghai, as well as such respected theologians as Archbishop. Averky (Taushev), archim. Cyprian (Kern), archim. Konstantin (Zaitsev), Hierom. Seraphim (Rose) and a host of other known and unknown Orthodox people». Again, unsubstantiated allegations. We do not consider our ROCOR heretical "from the moment of its formation to this day"! ROCOR is the flesh of the flesh of the local Russian Church, with all its spiritual beauty and with all its mistakes. There is nothing reprehensible in pointing out such errors, especially if they are in the nature of dogmatic errors, and trying to correct them. Is the blasphemous synodal teaching about the Name of God our only problem?! Were there no synodal decisions in support of February Revolution?! Didn’t the Local Council of 1917-1918, contrary to the teachings of the Church, abolish the anathema to those who do not consider royal power established by God and dares to rebel and betray the Anointed of God (the 11th anathematism on the Sunday of the Triumph of Orthodoxy)?! Were not all references to tsars in our liturgical texts blotted out, on the instructions of the Synod?! Didn’t the highest church authorities blaspheme when they demanded to pray to the Mother of God “save the faithful temporary government, you commanded him to rule, and give him victory from heaven”?! Or was it not blasphemous to turn to God in the service of the Iberian icon Holy Mother of God: "... Prayers for the sake of the Mother of God, help our faithful ruler, you chose them to rule us, and grant them victory against enemies ..." (texts can be seen here http://providenie.narod.ru/news/182/ 2014-08-05-203)?! We are now compelled to correct these distorted texts and submit petitions for "believing kings." Well, doesn’t such an “attempt” on synodal decisions bother anyone, doesn’t it seem like “blasphemy” and “betrayal of the Church”?!

It would be funny if it were not sinful, but one of the most important name-fighters, Met. Anthony Khrapovitsky was so critical of the synodal resolutions that if any of us said the same thing today, it is hard to imagine what angry philippics this would cause from our opponents. In a letter to Mr. Anthony to Schemamonk Theodosius of Athos we read: “You are ready, apparently, to recognize universally binding infallibility behind the Synodal decrees. Or I in vain so concluded according to your article? In that case, I'm very happy. After all, the Synod justified the God-opposing abolition of the patriarchate (contrary to 34 Ave. of the Apostles and 9 Ave. of Antioch. Sob. and many others), they allowed, if necessary, to partake of the pastors (what? - the food of demons, as St. Theodore the Studite put it) ” (Letters of Blessed Metropolitan Anthony (Khrapovitsky). Letter No. 31. Jordanville. 1988. P. 169).

With this article, we begin a column dedicated to containers and packaging in proverbs, sayings and other phraseological units and popular expressions. Let's conditionally name the heading "Packaging Wisdom Necklace". Containers and packaging have been used by people since time immemorial, so it is not surprising that the images associated with them are used among the people in the form of proverbs and sayings. The properties of containers and packaging become images in them and are transferred to people and their actions.

Let's start with the barrel. As you know, a barrel is not only a container (a wooden, covered with hoops, or a metal cylindrical container with two bottoms and usually with slightly curved sides), but also an old Russian measure of the volume of liquids, equal to 40 buckets (491.96 l). Barrels existed among most peoples, so this type of container is mentioned very often in proverbs and sayings. It is known that proverbs are generalized practical advice and assessment of situations for all occasions. It is not for nothing that experts consider proverbs to be linguistic clichés, which are signs of specific situations. To paraphrase the English proverb If the shoe fits wear it (If the shoe fits, wear it), a well-known proverb scholar Wolfgang Mieder writes: "If the proverb is suitable, use it."

The most common proverb in which a barrel is mentioned can be called “An empty barrel rattles more”. So they say when it comes to a person who shouts the loudest about his merits, without having them. The essence of the proverb summarized I. A. Krylov in his fable "Two Barrels":

Who shouts about his deeds to everyone incessantly,
Indeed, it makes little sense.

This proverb is found in most European languages. Compare: Russian. Empty vessels make the greatest sound, In an empty barrel and ringing a lot; Latvian Tukša muca tālu skan(The empty barrel rumbles far away); Polish Prożna beczka dzwoni(Empty barrel rings) Próżna beczka szumi, pełna milczy(An empty barrel makes noise, a full one is silent); german Leere Fässer geben grossen Ton(Empty barrels make a lot of noise) Leere Fässer klingen (knorren) hohl, volle schweigen wohl(Empty barrels ring loudly, full ones are well silent), Leere Fässer machen mehr Geräusch als volle(Empty drums make more noise than full ones); French C "est les tonneaux vides qui resonnent le plus(Empty barrels rattle the most) Ce sont les tonneaux vides qui font le plus de bruit(Empty barrels make the most noise); English An empty barrel makes the most noise(An empty barrel makes the biggest noise); Turkish Boş fıçı çok langırdar(An empty barrel makes a lot of noise).

Why is the proverb about the empty barrel so widespread, and not only in Europe? Perhaps the reason is in some very famous source, from which many peoples later borrowed this expression. It is extremely difficult to trace the origin of proverbs. They can arise in one people, be borrowed by others; apt turn into proverbs idioms individual people whose authorship is forgotten over time. According to Wolfgang Mieder, borrowed European proverbs go back to three main sources - ancient culture, bible and medieval latin, long time former language communication in almost all European countries. In addition, the same proverbs can arise as a result of cultural contacts between peoples, and also be obtained independently, simply due to the same conditions of existence and universal human logic.

In the case of the proverb about an empty barrel that rattles more, we see similar variants in many languages. The source, most likely, should be sought in classical copper-sounding Latin. Indeed, in the dictionary of winged Latin phrases we find Vacuum vas altius pleno vase resonat(An empty vessel resonates better than a full one.) How does it sound! This is not a barrel, but a vessel - vas. In Lithuanian, by the way, the word “pot” is used instead of a barrel: Tuščias puodas garsiai skamba(An empty pot rattles louder). The meaning is the same, but the image is slightly different, but also from the area, so to speak, of the container. From Latin vas English happened too vessel(vessel, vessel, ship), which also meets the English proverb Empty vessels make most noise(Empty vessels (barrels) produce the most noise.) It also indicates the origin of the proverb from Latin. It is probably the presence of this well-known Latin source that determines such a widespread use of the proverb about an empty barrel in European languages. Well, and, of course, the existence and popularity of the barrels themselves among all the peoples mentioned.

But the image of not just vessels, but a wooden barrel is used in this proverb by most nations, most likely because it has been the most common container for wine and beer produced for centuries. In any case, any Russian will present a wooden barrel. However, in some versions of the proverb, we find the word "ringing" in relation to the barrel, for example, Polish. beczka dzwoni, Russian in an empty barrel and ringing a lot. Maybe this is such a metaphor, but, I think, or rather the idea that initially in the proverb there was just a vessel, and most likely an earthen one.

Exists famous monument ancient Indian literature milindapanho» (« Questions from Milinda”), built in the form of conversations between the Greek king Milinda and the Buddhist monk Nagasena. Historians identify Milinda with the Greek-Indian king Menander, who ruled in one of the states formed after the collapse of the empire of Alexander the Great in India. His reign refers to 130-100 years. BC e. This book contains these lines:

“After all, there is, sir, in the Collected Sutras the saying of the Blessed One, the god of gods:
What is empty is ringing
What is full is silent.
A fool is like an empty vessel
A smart one is a deep pond.

That's when there was still a comparison of bragging and stupidity with empty containers!

When in various articles they write about barrels that existed in Ancient Rome, Egypt, Mesopotamia, usually do not specify what these barrels were made of, it often seems that we are talking about wooden barrels, which are the easiest for us to imagine. As evidence, they cite the fact that organized guilds of coopers already existed in ancient Rome. Yet it seems that wooden barrels were not the most common in the Mediterranean at that time. No, they certainly were, but not immediately. At first, the Romans used Greek amphorae to transport wine, then they invented their own - Roman - with a flat bottom, which was more convenient to transport.

Author "History of the Ancient East" V. I. Avdiev writes that in ancient Mesopotamia, barrels, boxes, pipes, furnaces, hearths, seals, spindles, lamps, and burial boxes were made of clay. He notes the unprecedented high cost of wood in this region in the III millennium BC. e.: "The most important substitutes for wood in ancient Mesopotamia there were reeds and reeds, different kinds which grow in large numbers in Mesopotamia. Reeds and reeds were used for the manufacture of various wicker things, as a building material, as well as in shipbuilding. The tree was rare in Mesopotamia and extremely highly valued. The high cost of wood is indicated by the custom of renting a house without wooden parts. The tenant usually brought all the wooden parts of the house and, leaving the house, took them away with his property. The Sumerians made weapons (bows and arrows), tools (ploughs), wagons, chariots and ships from wood.

Therefore, it is unlikely that in those parts wooden barrels were held in high esteem. Too hard. Wine and other liquids were transported in amphorae, stored in large clay barrels. Many potters in Rome specialized in making large earthenware vessels. One of the Latin words for cooper is doliarius. It comes from the word dolium - a very large clay vessel of a round shape, mounted on legs.
Approximately as in this photo.

In one of the museums in France there is a curious bas-relief in which the Gauls of the time of Julius Caesar are dragging barges with large wooden barrels, and a row of Roman amphoras is depicted on top. It seems that the Gauls transshipped wine from Roman amphora into their wooden barrels to transport them further into the depths of Gaul. They are inhabitants of the forest regions and could afford to make barrels out of wood. The Romans, apparently looking at them, also switched to wooden containers during long-distance transportation, which significantly saved weight. Indeed, almost half of the cargo, for example, wine, in Roman amphorae with a flat bottom was the weight of ceramic containers.

That's why we see different variants one proverb: an empty barrel makes noise, and rings, and rattles. If you carry a wooden barrel along the cobblestone pavement, then there will also be a lot of noise. In contrast to the empty ringing of a barrel without product, in some languages ​​the proverb is added by the second part - about the silence of a full barrel: "a full barrel is silent." That is, a smart or rather modest person is compared with a full barrel. The ancient problem of form and content.

The author came across on the Internet on the topic of this proverb a modern, transformed version - A full kettle does not rattle, but an empty one rings a mile away. Here the barrel was replaced by a kettle, but the meaning of the proverbial formula did not change due to the change in the places of the terms.

P.S. This is what a proverb led us into. But there are many other proverbs, sayings and phraseological units about barrels and other containers. So let's continue. If you are interested in such research, please send us your proverbs, sayings, anti-proverbs (these are modern modified proverbs that can be used, for example, only in one company) related to packaging, packaging, their transportation, etc. and so on. We will be glad. Let's try to string them on the thread of our story and get a necklace of folk proverbial wisdom, which partly reflects the national mentality.

Empty vessels make the greatest sound

Wed Two barrels rode: one with wine,

empty;

From her to pavement and clatter and thunder,

And a pile of dust.

Krylov. Two barrels.

Wed Who shouts about their deeds to everyone incessantly,

That's right, it doesn't make much sense..

There.

Wed Leere Tonnen geben grossen Schall.

Wed Empty vessels make the greatest sound.

Wed Les tonneaux vides sont ceux qui font le plus de bruit.

Wed Vasa vacua plurimum sonant.

Wed Aloysii Novarini Adag. 1651.

Cm. thinks.

Russian thought and speech. Yours and someone else's. Experience of Russian phraseology. Collection of figurative words and parables. T.T. 1-2. Walking and well-aimed words. Collection of Russian and foreign quotations, proverbs, sayings, proverbial expressions and individual words. SPb., type. Ak. Sciences.. M. I. Mikhelson. 1896-1912.

See what "an empty barrel rattles more" in other dictionaries:

In an empty barrel and ringing a lot. Empty vessels make the greatest sound. See PRAISE PRAISE…

An empty barrel rattles louder. Wed Two barrels were moving: one with wine, the other empty; From her on the pavement and clatter and thunder, And a column of dust. Krylov. Two barrels. Wed Whoever shouts about his deeds to everyone incessantly, In that, it’s true, it’s not enough ... ... Michelson's Big Explanatory Phraseological Dictionary (original spelling)

BARREL, solid. bokura wives. (from barreled, side) knitted, hooped wooden dish, consisting of frets or rivets, two dons embedded in chimes, and hoops: a tap (screw) is inserted into the drilled hole or plugged with a nail; and in a water tank... Dictionary Dalia

EMPTY, hollow inside, discontinuous, loose. An empty top, head over heels, is called a top. | Empty, unoccupied, simple, free. Empty chest. Empty space, undeveloped. His place is empty, service, position is not occupied, free, the place is idle ... Dahl's Explanatory Dictionary

What you boast (boasted), so you will choke (choked). Do not swagger, peas, in front of the beans, you will be under your own feet. For turnip who boasts? Turnips and turnips do not boast. Do not brag, hemp: you will be ruffled. Whoever boasted fell down from the mountain. IN AND. Dal. Proverbs of the Russian people

Wed great person only loud in business And he thinks his strong thought No noise. Krylov. Two barrels. Wed One with wine, Without noise and a step, Weaves. There. Wed Grosse Seelen dulden still. Schiller. Don Carlos. 1, 4. See the empty barrel rattles more. Cm … Michelson's Big Explanatory Phraseological Dictionary